I don’t support Gay Marriage.
It’s about assimilation, not liberation.
I like how cheyyyynne equates love to marriage, because of course it’s not possible to love someone…
Right, but the gay marriage argument is mainly about gay people who want to get married being able to get married, and have the equivalent rights / protections that other married couples have.
Also marriage as a whole is ingrained in our society and a lot of gay people also have an romanticized ideal of marriage (just like straight people) that they wish to fulfill.
Say your partner of 30 years is on his deathbed. If you weren’t married, the hospital may have the right to deny your request to visit him. Marriage makes it so that they can not do that. Marriage also provides (usually minor) tax benefits.
I get your point about assimilation, but that’s what most gay people want to do. So why should you oppose their right to do that?
yeah, I pretty much reject all of these arguments. They are outdated at best, and just incorrect at worst. Firstly, this argument about your partner of thirty years and not being able to see them in a hospital has become a complete cliche. It’s devoid of real meaning because in most parts of the western world this does not happen anymore, and when it does happen those cases are VERY few and far between. In most places homosexuality is offered mostly the same legal protections as heterosexuality. On top of this we need to be arguing why it is that so many of us are happy to support assimilationist positions that are based on privileging some members of our communities (usually the white and middle class) over others. And on top of that, what is being presented to the hetero world isn’t an image of equality but an image of sameness. Which causes a massive problem because it shows that most assimilationist gays don’t understand what equality is, and are happy to discriminate against people on their freedom to choose, rather than demand respect for our difference. I agree that marriage laws in many places are discriminatory, but the question remains why so much time, money and resources are being pumped into a symptom of homophobia instead of being pumped into eradicating the source of discrimination (which is heteronormativity). I’ve said it before, gay marriage is a minor skin irritation compared to the stage 4 cancer of heteronormativity. I’m sorry, this is not to disrespect you, but the arguments you put forth to defend the push for gay marriage come across increasingly weak and one dimensional. I’m not calling you those things, I’m calling your gay marriage argument those things, so please don’t think this is a disrespect of your person. Again, please go to this site, please spend a few weeks reading everything there, please challenge your politics, because even if it doesn’t change your mind, it will provide you with more depth to your position than it currently being presented: www.againstequality.org
Well… I can’t really say much in rebut if all you do is say that my argument is weak and one-dimensional. It’s kind of unnecessary to add that, don’t you think?
I’m not even arguing for it, what I’m actually doing is just telling you why people feel that way. And as someone who still experiences discrimination for being gay (or for being *my kind* of gay,) I don’t think the (albeit narrow) possibility of being unable to see your partner on their deathbed is worth risking.
Look at the bills that are being put through in US government… Allowing even government employees to refuse service to gay families in certain states. You really think it’s that stupid for people to be want to ensure their equality?
Also, marriage is not only for white, middle-class people. Anyone can get married at their city hall for a small cost. Maybe having a stereotypical “big gay wedding” where Elton John performs and Ellen is your priest would be only for rich white people… But that’s not the only kind of marriage that helps people gain equality.